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This whole thing has probably been building since Turbulence really and I probably shouldn't pretend I don't have a bit of a shippy agenda here, but I've tried to remain as objective as possible, and I still see issues which I think needed expressing, so here goes.


The first time I heard about the impending Jimmy/Chloe/Davis triangle, back around July, my first thought was OH GOD PLEASE DON'T GIVE CHLIMMY MORE ANGST LET THEM BE HAPPY PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE. My second thought was "Again with the triangles, SV? Seriously?" and my third thought was "Chloe/Doomsday? UM, NO." and that remained the key reason why I found myself completely unable to get behind that ship for most of the season, despite the fact that I recognized the chemistry Allison and Sam had around the same time everybody else noticed it, which is why I didn't totally hate them. But I was really taken aback by the way the rest of the fandom just completely gobbled them up. I'm seriously astounded by how many people seem to absolutely love them and don't give a shit that Davis Bloome, despite looking like Sam Witwer and appearing to be the nicest guy that's been introduced on this show since Clark Kent himself, is still DOOMSDAY. But you know, whatever, I'm used to being unpopular in my Chloe shipping ways and it didn't seem like I had any reason to stop now.

But then Jimmy and Chloe broke up. And I was upset about that, because they're my second favorite romantic ship on the show blah blah blah, but more than that, as a Jimmy fan I wasn't happy with the way they made him look in dumping her. I thought that in that episode (Turbulence) he jumped from getting married to Chloe IN THE LAST EPISODE HE HAD APPEARED IN to saying marrying her was the worst mistake he'd ever made and it all was so sudden and he overreacted so much to the situation at hand (Chloe  being inclined to believe that he was imagining things about Davis while supposedly over medicated) and it just left my head spinning. And that has only become even more pronounced. In Eternal, he sounded like a psycho based on what Chloe said about him. So bascially what I'm trying to say is that I have a huge problem with the way they've made Jimmy look bad (after all the time they spent in the first half of S8 fixing some of the character flaws people had been complaining about since he came on the show, too!) for the sake of a break-up so soon after that ship's WEDDING.

AND THEN. It became very clear to me during Eternal why PS3 broke Chlimmy up. They needed to make way for Chloom, which they knew they wanted to peruse towards the end of the season. Well, fuck that. Seriously. They broke up a ship which had been together for three seasons, WHO HAD JUST GOTTEN MARRIED (I keep emphasizing this because SERIOUSLY MARRIAGE ISN'T SOMETHING PEOPLE ENTER INTO LIGHTLY AND/OR FLIPPANTLY) so that they could pair their leading lady with the character who is famous for killing her best friend and generally causing mass destruction and being a supervillian. That's what just happened. And I don't know about any of you, but I am not alright with that. Especially since, based on that last scene in Eternal, Chloe is now going to be harboring someone she knows to be a serial killer who's destined to kill Clark. Um, what? The Chloe Sullivan I know absolutely does not aid people who are a potential danger to Clark in any way. And I'm not saying she should necessarily kill him or even want him dead, but Chloe wouldn't help him. So now PS3 are not only mangling Jimmy for this arc, but Chloe as well.

So I guess I'm just saying that this whole thing seems to me to be yet another example of unnecessary drama and character manipulation from Smallville. I'm getting quite fed up with the storyline already, and it's barely even begun. I don't want to see Chloe go down the path she's going on, or Jimmy get burned at the stake even more than he has been in the past, or see Davis' usually sterling character (I seriously think he's one of the best things to happen this season, regardless of my shipping preferences) tainted by this ridiculous love triange, which comes off even more forced than Clexana did back in S6. At least that had been building for seasons upon seasons, this has progressed from a slightly interesting subplot to what the entire plot of the show is turning on in about three episodes, two if you don't include Hex, which Davis wasn't in.

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Date: 2009-04-04 05:45 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] chickadilly.livejournal.com
This is a fine rant. If I wasn't soo tired right now I'd add to it - but basically I'm really frustrated with the way they're writing Chloe around Davis. It feels very forced and I keep wondering what sort of hold Davis must have over Chloe that she's completely blind (or rather she was ) to the things he's done. (And now that she knows she's ... WHAT?? SHE KNOWS HE's A MURDERER AND SHE ... WHAT??? AHHHHHHHH) If we're supposed to be watching some sort of official 'Fall of Chloe Sullivan' I don't think they're doing a good job conveying what the motivations are. Maybe it will all come out in the Season Finale but for now I'm really disappointed. (Besides I've always liked Chloe ... and lately I'm not really liking her and I don't like not liking her!

(If that makes sense??? I'm really tired so I'm not sure if I'm making any sense ... LOL))

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Date: 2009-04-05 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
I hope it all comes together in the finale, because right now, based on what we've seen and read as far as spoilers, I haven't been this disappointed with Chloe since she betrayed Clark to Lionel at the end of S2. (Yeah, I just compared those two situations. So there.)

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Date: 2009-04-04 06:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iamlillykane.livejournal.com
this whole thing seems to me to be yet another example of unnecessary drama and character manipulation from Smallville

my point exactly. sort of. yeah.

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Date: 2009-04-05 02:23 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
lol, glad we agree then. :)

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Date: 2009-04-04 06:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lonelywalker.livejournal.com
As usual from the SV PTB: piss-poor prior planning.

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Date: 2009-04-05 02:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
I'm not sure the lack of planning has as much to do with it as just a bad concept to begin with. :/

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Date: 2009-04-04 01:30 pm (UTC)
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You are not the only one who feels this way! I created a macro (with [livejournal.com profile] chickadilly's prompt) to show my displeasure.

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Date: 2009-04-05 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
You are not the only one who feels this way!

Oh good. Sometimes I feel like the only Chlimmy fan in the world. D:

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Date: 2009-04-04 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] starry-dawn.livejournal.com
You know something? I totally don't think the writers are making Jimmy look bad. I wouldn't blame him for anything that's happened post-"Turbulence". Yes, the hate mails are a little pathetic, but whatever. I can deal with it. If anything, they're making look Chloe look insane, and that's what is saddening me terribly. I can't watch her character go down the drain like this.

It became very clear to me during Eternal why PS3 broke Chlimmy up. They needed to make way for Chloom, which they knew they wanted to peruse towards the end of the season. Well, fuck that. Seriously. They broke up a ship which had been together for three seasons, WHO HAD JUST GOTTEN MARRIED (I keep emphasizing this because SERIOUSLY MARRIAGE ISN'T SOMETHING PEOPLE ENTER INTO LIGHTLY AND/OR FLIPPANTLY) so that they could pair their leading lady with the character who is famous for killing her best friend and generally causing mass destruction and being a supervillian. That's what just happened.

THANK YOU. I AGREE 100%. You don't do that, SV. You don't break up a marriage just because you want some ultra-cheesy Beauty and the Beast romance for your leading lady and your new shiny villain. You did it with Lana and Bizarro and it SUCKED. Why are you doing it again?! D:

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Date: 2009-04-05 03:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
I think it depends on how you look at it. I think Jimmy turning into a pill-popping hate e-mail sending scorned lover is making him look horrible, but mostly I just felt like he completely overreacted to what went down in Turbulence. Like the writers were looking for a reason to break up this previously stable couple for the sake of some drama, actually. :/

It's interesting that you'd compare them to Bizarro/Lana because I don't actually see the resemblance at all, but I totally agree with your main point anyway.

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Date: 2009-04-04 03:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shelly505.livejournal.com
YES YES YES YES YES.
SO MUCH FUCKING WORD.

The part I hate most is that TPTB are actually getting me close to hating Chloe. I have NEVER hated Chloe, EVER. In fact until this year, I actually liked her more then Lois. But now it's come to a point where nothing has to do with Clark, they're trying to make Clark and Jimmy look like douchebags (ummm..there was a thread started at Ksite saying Davis is apparently WAY more heroic then the BDA Clark will ever be), the forced Chloom crap is making me sick, and THIS ISN'T MY FUCKING CHLOE. I really just want Chloe and Davis to go away. Die off, leave, I dont care. Unless they're willing to give me my Chloe back. AND FIX CHIMMY.

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Date: 2009-04-04 06:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] chickadilly.livejournal.com
(ummm..there was a thread started at Ksite saying Davis is apparently WAY more heroic then the BDA Clark will ever be),

... Seriously? Because mass murder is heroic?!?

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Date: 2009-04-05 03:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raurey.livejournal.com
Davis is apparently WAY more heroic then the BDA Clark will ever be

WHAFUCK.



*RAGES*

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Date: 2009-04-04 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] x-spikeaholic-x.livejournal.com
This rant is so freaking true. I loved Chimmy, and I was so angry when they ruined it. But I was more mad at Chloe for not believing Jimmy, ugh.
Still though, now that Chloe knows about Davis, WTF? She so would not help him. I mean, I kinda get it, but no. It's so wrong. Stupid Smallville :(

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Date: 2009-04-04 08:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neonflames.livejournal.com
While I agree with this rant for the most part, Chloe isn't helping Doomsday in any way, she even tried to kill him as soon as it seemed Clark was in danger, her staying in the basement is the last ditch effort to protect Clark, it's hardly her harbouring the villain.

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Date: 2009-04-04 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
You're going to have to explain your reasoning a bit more, because I don't follow. How is this helping Clark?

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Date: 2009-04-04 09:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cuyler-morgan.livejournal.com
So much word!!!! Although, I never thought they were making Jimmy look bad. He reacted in a very understandable way. Here's this chick that he just married...barely went to visit him in the hospital. I say this bc she was in smallville the whole time he was in Star City...with Lois. Her cousin. Then, he finally makes it back home, sees Davis (a guy who his wife is obviousy crushing on) kill a guy and Chloe refuses to believe him. He just went through being bumped down to 2nd for Clark Kent..I just don't think that he wants to go through it again with Davis. And he shouldn't have to.

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Date: 2009-04-04 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
A lot of people have said that. IDK. I thought the blame in the initial break up kind of lay on both of them but I think Jimmy jumped the gun on the OMG YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME - IT'S OVER thing.

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Date: 2009-04-04 09:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lillie-poo-pod.livejournal.com
I'm seriously astounded by how many people seem to absolutely love them and don't give a shit that Davis Bloome, despite looking like Sam Witwer and appearing to be the nicest guy that's been introduced on this show since Clark Kent himself, is still DOOMSDAY.
It's not that we don't give a shit, it's that we've been trying to ignore that one minor fact, and embrace the only guy that's been on this show that hasn't treated Chloe like dirt. At least, that's what I've been doing.

So bascially what I'm trying to say is that I have a huge problem with the way they've made Jimmy look bad
WRT Chimmy, I think the writers are trying to make Jimmy look sympathetic and make Chloe look bad. And most of the posts that I've read that are not on TWoP or from people on my flist, are bitching out Chloe, saying she's stupid or calling her a cheater. The latest is that Chloe=Judas and is going to be the one to betray Clark.

Especially since, based on that last scene in Eternal, Chloe is now going to be harboring someone she knows to be a serial killer who's destined to kill Clark. Um, what?
It's either keep Davis from turning into Doomsday by staying with him, or let Dooms kill Clark. Those were the options she had. She's doing it so Clark won't die.

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Date: 2009-04-05 01:54 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] chickadilly.livejournal.com
It's not that we don't give a shit, it's that we've been trying to ignore that one minor fact,

That's the thing, though. It's not a minor fact - the whole season has been built on the fact that Davis=Doomsday.

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Date: 2009-04-04 10:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] unsungelegance.livejournal.com
Quickly, even though I'd love to say more!

Re: Jimmy. I really despise what they're doing to his character. He saw what he saw (ie. Davis, the killing, the body, later) and David jacked with his perception to cover himself. (BAD DAVIS.) So Jimmy's made out to look insane-o and he, understandably, is jealous of Chloe and Davis. I'm totally in his corner with all of that. But what I don't get is why, WHY the SMV writers thought it was necessary to have him all pill-popping and writing Chloe vicious e-mails. Okay, their marriage was in trouble, what with the Wedding From Hell, the Davis stuff, Jimmy's injuries and painful recovery. But even I (and I'm phrasing it this way 'cause y'know I ship Davis/Chloe) thought it was totally retarded to break up Chloe and Jimmy. Because I ship Davis/Chloe -knowing- (this is how silly I am) that it ain't ever gonna happen. I'm totally fine with Jimmy/Chloe being endgame as long as I get a bit of Davis/Chloe along the way.

Re: Davis/Doomsday. (Logically I know he's Doomsday, but darn it, he's irresistible - granted, not for everyone but for me. He's so...-human- and yet so obviously not. He's got such malicious intent, and he does these horrible things - but he wants to be good. The angst is just oozing out of him, and I'm so attracted to that, even in fictional characters.)

I think Chloe's been uncharacteristically quick to judge Jimmy in all of this. It really, really surprised me her, "what side?" comment an episode back to Clark re: Jimmy's side of the story. And as for her harboring Davis...this is gonna sound weak, but I think she really does care about him, even if she isn't totally aware of how much, and what I got out of the end of the episode was that she was choosing to shelter Davis because, better it was -her- with him, possibly keeping him away from Clark, than for anything to happen to Clark. Now I could be totally off base with that perception, dunno.

Anyway, yeah, basically sometimes the SMV writers smoke crack with the Lost writers, and insanity ensues. :(

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Date: 2009-04-05 02:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
Well, I'm glad I'm not completely alone in thinking they're making Jimmy look bad. A lot of the comments above have been like "I don't think Jimmy looks bad." So thanks. :)

Because I ship Davis/Chloe -knowing- (this is how silly I am) that it ain't ever gonna happen. I'm totally fine with Jimmy/Chloe being endgame as long as I get a bit of Davis/Chloe along the way.

I think the thing is - and I'm probably overgeneralizing and oversimplifying here, but still - a lot of people didn't do that. They saw Sam and Allison's mindblowing chemistry and fell head over heels for them and believed that it would happen. It's happened in the SV fandom before.

OK. About Davis. I get that he's all ~~human. I do. He breaks my heart. But I think where people go astray it to forget that AT HIS CORE he's still Doomsday. It's very much like the arc they had with Lex over the years, just spend up. Yeah, it's a tragedy, yeah, it's sad, but he's still evil and no matter how hard he resists, he can't get away from that. And that's not a little thing that can be overlooked for the sake of wanting to pair him with Chloe, unless you're prepared to go that route with Chloe's character, which I definitely am not.

(um, sorry if that came off as really harsh. That wasn't all directed at you necessarily, but I've seen tons of people with similar arguments and it's getting under my skin.)

I agree that Chloe's acting very strangely. More bad writing, IMO.

And...yeah, she cares about him. And maybe I am looking at it in a little too much black and white, but the minute Davis says "I'm a serial killer and I'm meant to kill Clark," Chloe should jump to Clark's defense and there shouldn't be any gray area. He's CLARK and she's CHLOE and that's how it works. Even if she does care about Davis, Chloe has always put Clark in front of everyone else and I don't see why she'd stop even - especially - in this situation.

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Date: 2009-04-05 02:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] buffymovies.livejournal.com
i took chloe's decision to stay with davis at the end as a way of protecting clark. davis is pretty much invincible now and she'd rather keep the monster from coming out than to leave him and possibly risk having doomsday kill clark. And i'm actually enjoying the exploration of this. chloe is pretty much acting in a shade of grey right now. most of the time on this show you are really good or really bad. it is nice to see some material that is challenging the characters.


"keep emphasizing this because SERIOUSLY MARRIAGE ISN'T SOMETHING PEOPLE ENTER INTO LIGHTLY AND/OR FLIPPANTLY"

tell that to the many people who get divorced every year. i personally don't have anything against jimmy inall of this, but i did think their marriage was premature. they lightly dated in season 6 and they were apart for most of season 7. so the engagement was very strange to me. and the fact that chloe still has to keep all of the secrets from jimmy, i just didn't think it was a very good decision.

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Date: 2009-04-05 02:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
Other people have said that as well, and I have to say that I'm probably basing the way I read that scene on spoilers I've read. I don't know if you've read those or not, but that moment cemented something I've been dreading for a few weeks now.

tell that to the many people who get divorced every year.

The vast majority of those divorces aren't from people who haven't even been married a month. Jimmy and Chloe spent months preparing for their wedding, knowing that they were going to be pledging to spend the rest of their lives together, and being totally committed to that idea and then all of a sudden, they're enemies. It gave me metaphorical whiplash.

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Date: 2009-04-05 03:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raurey.livejournal.com
WORDY MCWORD. This is exactly what I've been trying to say, only I've been too enraged to be coherent about it. I disagree that Jimmy's attitude change was sudden, though - we know he's had jealousy issues for a long time, and he's been giving Chloe suspicious looks and asking her about Davis for a while.

Other than that, IAWTC. The writers are making Jimmy look like a psychopath and Chloe like a perfect little angel like Lana, when it's obvious to anyone with sense that she's in the wrong. PS3 is murdering her and Jimmy's characters, and all for the sake of OMGDRAMA with Doomsday. *rages*

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Date: 2009-04-05 06:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brijeana.livejournal.com
Your post makes me want to cry with relief. Yes. I just... I agree.

If they want Chloe and Jimmy to break up so Chloe can be with Doomsday fine. But the WAY they are doing it! I mean... I understand all that Jimmy said in "Turbulence" but the last words were so venomous! Then all those hateful emails in "Eternal." I hate it. It reminds me of bitter, spiteful Jimmy from "Apocalypse."

Then, even though I'm a die hard Chimmy shipper, I admired Davis' struggle against his nature. I enjoy the chemistry he has with Chloe, and how much he cares for her. But "Turbulence" really tarnished his innocence. Maybe innocence isn't the right word but after the way he manipulated Jimmy even Chloe/human Davis is tainted.

Now with Eternal it's all just so emo. I mean I knew after "Infamous" that everything regarding Chloe's part of the story would do a 180 degree turn but still. This is just... breaking my heart. I'm finding it hard to see from Chloe's POV and feel for her. And you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned their marriage.

MARRIAGE. That's a serious commitment. It makes me sad that they would treat it so flippantly with an earnest, caring character like Chloe. I'm working hard in Offscreenville to pretend that a month has gone by since her birthday and that Chloe made sure that Jimmy was safe somewhere but... *sigh* It sucks.

I'm so glad I found your post. I don't feel so alone.

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Date: 2009-04-05 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seriousfic.livejournal.com
I'm seriously astounded by how many people seem to absolutely love them and don't give a shit that Davis Bloome, despite looking like Sam Witwer and appearing to be the nicest guy that's been introduced on this show since Clark Kent himself, is still DOOMSDAY.

To be fair, in early seasons, Lex Luthor was LEX LUTHOR. So if season eight is when you start having problems with sympathetic villains...

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Date: 2009-04-05 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
I don't have problems with sympathetic villains at all. Davis on his own is probably the best thing to come out of season eight and I think that up until this point he's been written extremely well. My problem is with the fangirls who insist that underneath it all he's ~~human and ~~good, despite the obvious major point of it being that he's NOT and that he can't fight his nature, no matter how hard he tries.

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Date: 2009-04-05 04:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] awehla.livejournal.com
It did seem like at the end of the ep when Chloe locked the door they were going to start up some weird love dungeon thing. What would the child of a Krypto freak and err a Krypto freak look like? ;)

I think Jimmy should be treated better, he will end up being Superman's pal after all.

Lisa
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Date: 2009-04-05 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ada-c-eliana.livejournal.com
I agree with much of what you've said here. When Chloe found out Jimmy had been telling the truth I was waiting for her to run to the phone to call him and apologize, but of course not. Instead she'll be in the basement with Doomsday. ((She should just give Zatanna a call with her shiny new Justice League headset and get her to grant Davis his wish to be rid of his Doomy-ness. Of course then there wouldn't be a storyline I suppose...))

Chloe has pretty much always annoyed me. And I wondered why Jimmy/Chloe lasted so long anyways because it seemed like she would get bored with him soon enough. Besides that, she kept so many secrets from him. I'm not surprised that he flipped out in "Turbulence".

But after all the effort they went through to make them seem balanced - especially in "Committed," to just break them up at the end of one ep and be done is such a cop out. It seems like she doesn't even care that her marriage is over already.

Also - why has there been no mention of the fact that Davis was the monster at her wedding that hurt Jimmy? Or haven't they figured that out yet?

Oh and plz no spoilers in any comments to this, I'm avoiding them.

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Date: 2009-04-05 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] burningqueen.livejournal.com
When Chloe found out Jimmy had been telling the truth I was waiting for her to run to the phone to call him and apologize, but of course not. Instead she'll be in the basement with Doomsday.

Exactly. She should have been on the phone, apologizing to him, but no.

But after all the effort they went through to make them seem balanced - especially in "Committed," to just break them up at the end of one ep and be done is such a cop out.

Again, exactly. My ships aside, it's just so obviously forced and that's what I hate the most about it.

Also - why has there been no mention of the fact that Davis was the monster at her wedding that hurt Jimmy? Or haven't they figured that out yet?

I think that's up in the air. They know he's from Krypton and a serial killer, but I'm inclined to say that they haven't put the peices together yet. I'm not sure though.

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Date: 2009-04-08 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] homicidalfink.livejournal.com
I think I kind of love you for this. What they've done to Jimmy has always annoyed me simply because, from a comic standpoint, he's supposed to be Clark/Supes friend. Although, yes I am aware SV is now kind of an Elseworlds, but still.

It just seems like this show can't find any balance with its pairings, from Clana to Chimmy, and goes to extremes in both directions. Of course, my solution would be to kidnap the SPN writers and make them write my show too.

In conclusion, even though I don't really have a solid 'ship of my own (except maybe Clark/his destiny), I can agree with almost everything in this rant.

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